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Elon Musk explains why he’s not racist.
Last week, Elon Musk gave an interview at his Texas Gigafactory to Zanny Minton Beddoes, The Economist’s editor-in-chief. This is a condensed version of the 84 minute interview. The answers have not been changed.
Video from The Economist.
Transcript
Musk, thank you so much for joining me on Insider. Thank you for having us here at Tesla Giga. You're sure that humans will no longer be in control in ten yes' time. If the difference in the intelligence between AI and humans is vastly greater than the difference in intelligence between AI and chimpanzees, it's hard to imagine that the chimpanzees would be in charge. I actually don't find that future a terribly appealing one because I don't think humans have agency in that future. They have agency? In a more compared to the mines. Small way. Do you need to pay more tax? Do you have much higher taxes on capital no that you fund some kind of universal income? Otherwise, what do people live off? I I think that that the treasury should just simply issue people checks. Ten years ago, you're on a podcast. I think it was with Neil deGrasse Tyson. And you said that the thing that terrified you most was rapid recursive self improvement in AIs. Yes. If the heat death of the universe is in fact the outcome for our reality, then it really is all about the journey because the destination is terrible. Better the election, you got very actively involved through Doge. It is a fair criticism that the way you shut down a whole bunch of programs probably, in fact, certainly caused unnecessary suffering. I mean No? That no? So you don't buy the idea that anybody and to put it really crudely and simply, any kid in Africa died because of the suddenness with which Zero. I just don't think that's right. Zero people died in the last year. I hear you loud and clear. Zero. I hear you loud and clear. You have, what is it, close to 250,000,000 followers on x. You say things like, Popular guy. Quote, civil war in Britain is inevitable. When were you last in The UK? A few years ago. Exactly. So so I live there. I'm there the whole time. That is nonsense. You live at a cloistered existence. No. I don't, actually. If you'd like, we can go on a tour of Britain. Sure. I I very happy to come on a tour of Britain. And then and you will see for yourself. See my country that I live in all the tier, and you haven't been no a few years there. Tier literally a 100 times. But when was the last time? Literally a few years. You're also, you know, a an ongoing participant in the worst kind of tribalism. People say that you're a racist. My partner is is is, she's half Indian, and my my and I have four children with her. And speaking of loathing, you loathe far more than I am. I think very few people know who I am relative to you, so I don't think I play in the same game.